There have been far less cyclones on the east coast in the last 50 years. Of course they may be different families of corals from those that are dying on the GBR but it does prove that corrals can survive “climate change”. I’m not sure many of the Reps will want to step out of their meeting rooms. That was the story a few decades back. The Great Barrier Reef is 2,300 km long and can be seen from space from its position off the coast of Queensland, Australia. Such comments should never be deleted, but underlined and the person making them attached to those comments forevermore. Regarding corals, they have gone nearly extinct five times over the past several hundred million years, and have always bounced back. However, both claims could be misleading: there is a huge difference between ‘dead’ and ‘dying’. She isn’t observing facts. Hasn’t the reef been destroyed by the Crown of Thorns starfish plague? The GBR model is for scientists. The world's most viewed site on global warming and climate change. If you think a degree of warming is a threat to their existence you need to explain how and why they survived far greater changes in the past. The reefs to the North of Lizard Island got very heavily hit by the last bleaching event as a result of a strong El Nino. Veuer’s Tony Spitz has the details. Just wait for the CAGW lobby to claim that Minister Ley didn’t visit the correct parts of the GBR and cherry picked those locations where the die off was only just starting. They use precise transect locations from one year to another and video along it with a set FOV then classify species and percent cover in the lab after field season (summer) is over. Why don’t you state specifically that the bleaching is due to El Ninos? Predictions that don’t match observations are wrong, whoever makes them. I suspect bleaching impacts further South were even less. I wish more climate scientists would enter politics properly rather than sniping from the safe sidelines of their academic tenure. We should be able to accept our responsibility for our wrongs and practise due diligence. It’s good to see a responsible minister actually going and have a look first hand. Climate scientists deny the reality of the natural world we measure to prove a Malthusian presumption of imminent disaster that simply doesn’t happen, and hasn’t happened durng similar changes in the past(clue there) – because they are paid to in their cosy academic lives in Departments of (pseudo) Climate SCience we p are made to pay for. Break the monopoly of the alarmists. Paul C August 17, 2019 at 3:16 pm Nothing to worry about at all.”. Didn’t Dr. Ridd get some kind of award from his climateering colleagues for criticizing their devious work? “The current, ongoing mass bleaching event is the worst in the Great Barrier Reef’s history,” reads the report. Scientists- “Let’s carefully collect data in multiple locations over a time period, donut multiple times and confer with other scientists who have done it to make sure we accurately measure the overall flourishing or degradation of the Great Barrier Reef.”. Smarter than a grade 5er? will be asking me in the future what I did to avert the meltdown of the planet. “The Reef supports a huge variety of marine biodiversity and an estimated 69,000 Australian jobs, and provides $7 billion to the Australian economy every year,” reads a report from the Australian Climate Council. Or was that a missing /sarc? Consider Leon, the number you cite,beside being entirely dependent on estimates upon estimates. Just the same as the thousands of Pacific islands disappearing.”. That means it was a once a fringing reef at the edge of the continental shelf which grew to the sun as the ice melted. [according to AIMS]. Coral cover. Argument from authority, logical failure, ignore all future posts from John Hutton. Well here’s some lowdown on coral bleaching from Peter Ridd- Maybe because he is an expert without any ulterior motives for exaggeration. 1: “she has nothing to compare it to”. The “little, black rock” is playing a huge role in threatening the reef’s existence. Unfortunately, it’s dying. “John Hutton August 17, 2019 at 3:03 am Don’t expect any mention by the Labour opposition, such matters are best forgotten. The Great Barrier Reef is ephemeral. Same way with the GBR. If Sussan Ley dived any of those reefs she would likely have had an entirely different experience. Pushback finally happened when the Tourist Industry got clobbered because of all the bad news about the reefs. My observations are that coral will regrow very quickly where ever favorable conditions exist. People who whine about mining and burning coal should immediately divest themselves of everything made from or by fossil fuels. Ms. Ley clearly isn’t a scientist, and her observations should not be construed as those of a scientist. Oh c’mon now Philip. The real world, as you call it, is a sick and dangerous place. Actually, despite pollution and other human activity, there is evidence that corals in the Gulf of Akaba **What a load of shit. The Reef’s only chance for salvation sits with the Australian Government. A total reversal. I went and snorkelled at the Great Barrier Reef (Moore Reef) off Cairns a few weeks ago. “The cumulative effect of these threats weakens the Reef’s resilience, affecting its ability to recover from serious disturbances predicted to become more frequent in the future,” writes the foundation. HAHAHAHAHA! Surprise! they like it or not! Then click on the link and it opens. People who make such ridiculous claims should go and read how hot it really was around the turn of the century, then again in the thirties. Plenty of evidence that the sea levels are rising. I seen’t it! But nobody would listen to them. The fact is a reef really can recover that fast. And enormous kudos to Dr. Peter Ridd whose battle over his wrongful termination from James Cook University is not over. “I’m sure in the near future we shall read public apologies from all the reef scientists who declared the fake climate emergency.”. If the observable has shape (e.g. The Maldives have been sinking since the mid 30s and guess what? Something climate scientists have rarely troubled themselves with in their constant search for Malthusian disasters that aren’t happening and whose technical bases are often a status quo that never exists as we progress in sophistication and beliefs that are not evidence based, that a Mann filter is applied to to make the data support events that then don’t happen. Mini-satellites help map Great Barrier Reef 05:31. Which brings us back to that silly “oh… it’s cold today” ; the alleged basis for claiming Anthropogenic Global Warming” is tracking a global anomaly calculated from a global average. Carbonic acid is formed in small amounts by only a small portion of dissolved carbon dioxide. All these events are entirely natural and are part of life on the reef. I get the feeling you have no clue what you are talking about, but love you some soundbites. In fact, the damage is not sudden, but is a result of ongoing harm inflicted on the Reef by multiple factors. Surprise. Independent Premium Comments can be posted by members of our membership scheme, Independent Premium. Nothing has changed. However, I believe the scientists such as Peter Ridd because when I look for evidence of the damage I see none. theyre still there but decades of volunteers killing them has helped, now they have some? So jeering at first-hand observations based on your ill-informed speculations just doesn’t cut it here. No scientist on the face of this planet…has ever been funded….to study nothing is happening here, …and saying it’s dying is the easiest way to be funded to study almost anything, There’s reason all these studies are inconclusive, I was going to say this in a reply to an earlier ‘wokey’ above. Finally, you have assumed WITHOUT EVIDENCE that CO2, which has existed in much higher levels in the atmosphere, is now suddenly killing coral in the oceans. If you are so stupid to think vast majority of scientists who devote their life’s work to finding the truth are not to be trusted but the executives of major oil companies and the corrupted scientists they employ don’t just care about the next dollar then you are a fool and I hope you live long enough to feel the shame you deserve. And how is it acceptable and legitimate in any way to conduct phony inquiries led by people who have huge vested interests in the CAGW hypothesis prevailing…and no interest in discovering the truth ….as have been conducted in the UK re the hiding and/or ‘losing’ of raw data and other massive questions re peer review etc raised by the Climategate emails? … Keeping in mind, that those allegedly renewable energy sources kill bats and birds by the multitudes and have reversed populations recovery of large raptors and carrion birds. Since the LIA? Minister: “So the reef really isn’t dying and it’s all been a lie?” The Great Barrier Reef is one of the most celebrated ecosystems on Earth— and it’s dying. Just as it has for 4 billion years, minimum. Not those guys. Life! They are quite right: according to GBR models, the GBR is dead. Which explains why climate dooms and predictions have utterly failed to occur over the last thirty years. Oh for Pete’s sake! When you have tourism companies and scientists measuring changes over decades but she thinks it’s wrong because she enjoyed her first scuba dive. The growing combination of rising water temperatures, poorer water quality from sediment run-off and pollution, as well as more severe cyclones and crown-of-thorns starfish outbreaks, are just some of the threats creating a perfect storm for our Reef and the marine life that depends on it. (Note to global warming deniers that the previous sentence was a joke – just in case you didn’t get it like you don’t get global warming). Can you explain how sea levels magically rise in one place and not others? Rave reviews all round. Nothing has changed. So you are saying that the minister should not believe her lying eyes? The truth is somewhere in between and is not clearly known as the majority of science is being funded by those with an alarmist agenda. Clearly, the tourists wanted to see the reefs in all their glory, and stayed away in droves because of what they had all heard. Which is one of the reasons, the alarmists keep changing the name and terms surrounding their climate cabal claims; global warming, anthropogenic global warming, catastrophic anthropogenic global warming, climate disruption, climate emergency, climate urgency, climate change; N.B. e.g. Marine scientist Peter Ridd has begun a speaking tour in Queensland calling for a new body to check the quality of reef research. Well a strong arctic cold front/upper trof is about to take over AK’s weather for the next 10days. Ms. Ley spent three days with GBR experts visiting the GBR and talking to people who live on the land and those whose incomes depend upon a healthy GBR. You mean the morons went forward with that stupid idea. Coral bleaching can occur when the typical summer temperature of local waters increases an exceed maxima by 1°C. e.g. All of the solar road projects have been an abject failures not just the first, but all of them. Yet, current issues are affecting the reef, causing the death of some parts, … Loss or accumulation of sand on a beach is only affected very slightly by the small amount of sea level rise over the last 30 years, but mostly a factor of changes in currents, local structures, sea walls, storms, dams, etc. There is no correlation found between rising sea levels, with no acceleration of rate, and CO2 levels which are accelerating. More power to her, may her tribe increase. ‘Cyclones…are occurring more often? How is the above statement validated? Sussan Ley’s career path has been wonderfully varied, working odd jobs on the way to a pilot’s license – with roles as an air traffic controller, stock-mustering pilot and occasional shearer’s cook following. of robotic lil devices that cruise around autonomously and inject them with something to kill em in situ. Over what time period?”. How much change in alkaline ph was there again? Right – ignore scientists that have been studying it for decades”. It was beautiful and vibrant then. Try to get the job titles correct. Rule No 1 in science, correlation does NOT equal causation! 20,000 years ago, the world was starting to emerge from the most recent ice age. I am one of a small and dwindling band of people who have observed the GBR [intermittently] for >60 years. now they have to let people know that the barrier reef is “open for business”. I’ll tell you why: some areas are undergoing subsidence, which means that the land SINKS. Over what time period? How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? With an alleged warming anomaly that is impossible to calculate reliably or accurately. For unexplainable reasons, the Queensland government has continued to support expanding coal mines and ports. COT A real and ever present danger. It’s a myth of course. Except, those children who are immaturely hung-up about other people using coal and fossil fuels never seem to give up all of civilization’s benefits themselves. The council concluded that the warming oceans are a result of the rising temperatures caused by the burning of coal, oil and gas. Yes I actually did, and it was magic. Oh, It is an orchardist that tends a orchard. So the Environment Minister goes to see for herself. Coral reefs are the most important oceanic ecosystem, and the Great Barrier Reef … But if you want to impose your opinion on others, you need to take your opinion to the ballot box where it will gain the attention it deserves. Leon This went on for a couple of years, with each report even more apocalyptic than the previous. “David August 17, 2019 at 10:49 am What causes bleaching? And I doubt it even rates a mention in the Australian version of the Grauniad. Thoughtless confirmation bias. But it is no longer broad. (CNN) — Australia's Great Barrier Reef has lost 50% of its coral populations in the last three decades, with climate change a key driver of reef disturbance, a new study has found. Maybe the Ridd case has had an effect in Aussie after all. Wish other Ministers were more like her. . The COT still has the capacity to devastate the reef as it has done before. Crown of Thorns Starfish. You’ll also need to learn to tan hides and make your own shoes; or walk everywhere barefoot. Hypocritically, they whine and carp about other people. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. I hope the stupidity is a small bump in the road or God help my grandsons. I believe it is done on Green Is off Cairns but that is a hot tourist spot. So you do know that reefs and Corals require Carbon Dioxide in the water to grow right.”. Although this rule is true, if this is Rule #1 in science then there are many Rule #1s. I am happy for her to use my tax dollars to disprove the alarm. They’re saying that in this thread, in fact. Sussan Ley has done it again. Now to wait for a response from the Labour opposition. Read our full mailing list consent terms here. So it’s hard to believe continued rises would be a problem. A coastal plain, dotted with hills, separated these mountains from the sea. The greater the damage the more impressive the % cover and species diversity during the recovery, after 2 to 3 years from damage (depending on water temp). I don’t know their methodology, and I may have been in a different section, but where I looked it was more like 100% coral cover. The basis on which Sussan has made her claim is a joke and as bad as some of the claims we see passed off as science for AGW. UNESCO has criticised the Australian Government for not taking greater steps to preserve the Reef since it was placed on their watch list in 2015. As they told us in 1989, by next year, Europe will be uninhabitable. What is the data? I get the impression that the Morrison government is slowly moving I recall a couple of years ago when the Aussie Gov chopped funding for CSIRO climateering division on the basis of the reseachers insisting the science is settled! In the last 30 years? Government funding for new fossil fuel mining must come to a halt, the Reef 2050 Plan needs to be rewritten, and the country should adopt a climate change policy that would reduce the emission levels by 40-60% followed by 60-80%. However, in 2017, the government declared the project impossible and leaving the plan to be reviewed sometime in 2018. The GBR is for tourists. It is home to over a thousand different types of marine life: 1400 types of hard coral, one third of the world’s soft coral, 1,625 species of fish, over 3000 species of molluscs, 630 types of starfish/sea urchins, 14 species of sea snakes, 215 types of birds, 133 different types of sharks and rays, 30 species of whales and dolphins, six out of seven species of marine turtles, and many species still undiscovered. Are you sure you want to delete this comment? According to a briefing released by the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO), the events in 2016 and 2017 increased the percentage of dead coral from 22% to 29% with an anticipated morality rate of 19%. During those dives I’ve seen both healthy reefs and reefs heavily affected by bleaching following the last major El Nino event. And a stupid politician going oh…no loss of reef…… reminds me of the other stupid people going…… oh… it’s cold today,….. so no climate change. Fanatastic nature and the people here don’t mind it is a bit warmer and drier than usual, believe me. Perhaps the Minister is on top of her brief and has the bigger picture John- You are a glaring example of the irrational elitist. If they reject that idea the press could have some fun challenging them. And the Red Sea water temperatures are higher (probably considerably higher). You are mistaking reefs for diatoms, copepods, and other life that build shells to live within. – Fred Pearce The Climate Files: Veuer's Tony Spitz has the details. The idea that a warmer world would affect the Coral is nonsense, what about the coral at the Red Sea. “Leon August 17, 2019 at 5:11 pm The GBR has been “dying” since 1949 that I know of. In relation to bleaching and ­climate change, he said it was not a new phenomenon: “It has been happening for millennia.”. I did, but it was 20+ years ago. ?w=1023&ssl=1. I have some lay observations: Of course they will fail to indicate the locations of the vast tracts of dying reef that should have been visited. Which brings up the fact that most of any civilization is utterly reliant upon fossil fuels for housing, warmth, cooling, transportation, food, clothing, equipment, etc. The coastal mountain ranges we see today in north-eastern Australia were further inland. Oh as a footnote, the actions by JCU against Professor Peter Ridd were a disgrace and I was happy to contribute to his defence fund to fight their actions. The Red Sea is in the northern hemisphere, so the amount of CO2 in the air is probably slightly more than the GBR area. (part of the Red Sea for those who flunked geography) are thriving. BTW, how’s that big shiney ball thing up in the sky doing, has it started to settle into a Grand Solar Minimum yet? It suggests there is growing scepticism of scientists, particularly those in the condition of coral field. And absolutely nothing to do with attempting to rubbish the science so that her government can continue to mine & burn coal like there’s no tomorrow. Want an ad-free experience?Subscribe to Independent Premium. One to watch, she faced off the live sheep exporter that was responsible for the carnage on a ship headed over the hot Indian Ocean to the Middle East. The mine wi… All synthetic fibers, plastics, metals, glass, phones, computers, TVs, screens, etc. This richness and uniqueness make the reef crucial for tourism and the Australian economy—it … Not giving the funds to the likes of the JCU may well have happened over the Peter Rudd matter, serves them right. ” It has taken marine biologists decades of painstaking research, observation and recording to CONCLUDE that global warming is leading to acidification of our oceans which in turn is causing coral bleaching.”. Sydney Harbour sea level has supposedly been rising at a few mm per year for the past 150 years and guess what? Unfortunate. It is not thriving, nor is it at death’s door. Rising sea levels. Can people be that stupid. … You mean the islands that are not disappearing? If ‘nutrients [from run off] may be enhanced above natural levels’, does this mean, from a scientific point of view, we actually know the answer to the word ‘may’. God help us I find it had to accept that our so called educated betters are truly that stupid. How is it that we find fossils of them from that time? Or people who claim it’s dead based on an article in the Australian MSM while sitting in their arm chairs and have never actually been to the reef, any part of it. What a steaming pile of horseshit. Broadbeach in Queensland has been called that for quite a while now. It’s a problem with consequences far beyond the Australian coast. These research institutions used public money to create a scare which had a devastating impact on an important industry. John, you keep complaining, about the topic, but YOU never provide WHY we should ignore the Environment Minister. This website is utter drivel, you should he ashamed of yourself for believing these obvious mistruths. The deparure from even a pretense of science and into hysteria and threats is hard to read as other than a swan song or the final phrenetic acrobatics of a chicken with its head cut off. The Southport area has traditionally been one where the Nerang River breaks through the shoreline around Southport every so often and then the Spit gradually elongates north again with deposited sand until the river breaks through again. I doubt there could be another outbreak like the first in the ’60s, ’70s because there is not enough hard coral to maintain the outbreak. How can she even know if she has nothing to compare it to. So you do know that reefs and Corals require Carbon Dioxide in the water to grow right. Stupid scientists with your ‘accuracy’.”. The live coral lives on the surface of … It has to be irritating that someone insists on looking at the Great Barrier Reef and conflating it with the model. if the reef dies, it will be felt throughout all australia, animal populations will die off and ocean quality will drastically decrease. According to the Great Barrier Reef Foundation, the human influence has caused a 50% decline in the overall coral bed from 1985 to 2012. The effect is akin to a forest after a devastating fire. The Great Barrier Reef is dying at an unprecedented pace. you can help by signing the petition to ask the government to give more funding to the reef and climate change. Hopefully this can be limited. e.g. Irrational denial of reality. His fight for the truth over the health of the Reef and the need to fact check research papers has been epic. Just a follow up. His iinitials are N.T. Climate change is racist might have some legs, here in California at least. Until the advent of ‘climate doom’ the reality was there was little interest in them outside their own areas . Hence environment minister Sussan Ley will always be able to find single sections of reef that seem to be in otherwise healthy condition. Nutrient runoff. Wouldn’t it be a better plan for you, John to ignore those renegade scientists who have been studying the reef for decades and don’t see an imminent catastrophe? Member for Farrer Dr G: Oh yeah. Every goddamn animal in the ocean incorporates it for their skeletons! John Hutton, Husband and wife Canadians 2007 had a great time on the reef. ‘ Put that in your third grade bubble pipe, and swallow soap. Great Barrier Reef dying faster than ever, scientists confirm. Climate changes. Only studying it for a few decades? It helps to read the first sentence. Well, before we start handing out compliments let’s see them do something about taxpayer funding of alarmists and let’s see them hold people to account. 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